Congrats to Drew Stanton on earning his first career start…or just falling into it by default. While I doubt Drew can ever give Matty Saviour a run for his money on the field, he may be able to on the party scene. Unathletic has some interesting pictures from Drew’s days at Michigan State, although I don’t know why they speculate he had a drug problem. I’ve heard nothing of this.
After a well deserved bye week, The Congregation is back together with a few bonus questions this week. Enjoy!
Steve, Detroit Lions Weblog: First, I like the analogy of the ‘09 Lions to the ‘03 Bengals as a working comparison. However, I think that there are three major differences that need to be considered. 1) T.J. Houshmandzadeh has no current analogue on the Lions roster. The Lions lack of a dependable, solid, route-running companion to Johnson, with good hands, is absolutely killing them offensively. Johnson, aside from his injuries, has really had a disappointing season because of it. 2)The Lions do not currently have a Pro Bowl-caliber offensive lineman on their roster, the Bengals had a Pro Bowl offensive tackle in Willie Anderson. That fact alone creates a huge differentiation when comparing the two teams.3)Hopefully, the Lions will not suffer from the epidemic of off-the-field issues which nearly decimated the Bengals during their critical stage of personnel development (and which they are just now overcoming) after the ‘03/’04 season.
Stafford appears to possess some similar attributes to those of Palmer, and both Johnson(no, not Bryant!) and Smith could each become better players than Ochocinco and Rudi Johnson were, if the Lions are able to address the two of major personnel differences that I mentioned. The presence of a healthy, confident, and consistent Brandon Pettigrew could make the Lions even better than the Bengals became after ‘03/’04.
I don’t believe that the Lions will suffer from the rash of off-the-field impediments that the Bengals dealt with, so if the Lions gain the same level of organizational traction, they could find that their hypothetical success is more sustainable than the Bengals’ was. Of course, with the Lions, that’s assuming a helluva lot!
Big Al, The Wayne Fontes Experience: Sure, there’s something we can learn. Here’s 5 things I have deducted in order for the Lions to avoid a Bengals-like era of mediocrity.
1. Draft better players.
2. Draft better players.
3. Draft better players.
4. Draft better players.
5. And let’s not forget, draft better players.
Josh, Roar of the Lions: My brother in law is married, it’s a wonderful 70+ degrees out, we’re heading back into Disney tomorrow, and the tiny keys and screen on this phone are still driving me nuts as my primary tool for using the Internet. Well, guess you can’t have everything. Which is, of course, why the Bengals have been mired mediocrity.
Carson Palmer is a good QB but the last few years followed major reconstructive knee surgery with major elbow surgery on his throwing arm. That alone is about three seasons down the crapper. The second problem was character. They had the Millens and drafted like crap for a few years. It wasn’t that guys didn’t have talent, but they either had issues with character or motivation that kept them either off the field, or from performing their best on it. Rudi was a bit older than 34k and when he slowed down while Palmer was injured, the Bengals offense started to really sputter. Sadly for them it was at that time their defense (which was their biggest problem) finally started to come together.
The biggest thing that Schwartz & Mayhew can do to avoid the Bengals’ fate is to draft better, and do a better job on balancing team chemistry. Judging by the performances of the draft picks and the team thus far, they are headed in the right direction. The big key is can Mayhew get productive players in the latter rounds consistently, or will we have more Derrick Williams picks than DeAndre Levy picks??
Deacon Blades Boyd, CofS: No. Because a) Stafford is certainly no Palmer, b) Kevin Smith is certainly no Rudi Johnson(in his prime) and in their primes, Lewis and Ocho were far better then Calvin and Schwartz. Calvin has the potential to be better the Ocho but he’s starting to fall into the Lions trap of no caring. I would love to think the Lions can follow the Bengals pattern to success but we don’t have the talent yet.
Reverend Spielman, CofS: I think that there are a lot of parallels that can be drawn from these two situations. The key of course is to draft properly but really, the Bengals haven’t done too bad in the draft. With of course one exception: the 2005 Draft. This draft alone is the biggest reason the Bengals haven’t risen above. Their top pick, David Pollack, had an unfortunate career-ending back injury. Then it got interesting. The next two picks, Odell Thurman and Chris Henry, have both been cancers in the locker room and off the field. They’ve lost Marvin Lewis more hair than perhaps any of his other players ever. The rest of the draft produced nothing of substance.
As Lions fans know, you can not have entire drafts that don’t produce one productive player. They set a franchise back years. The 2005 draft did that to the Cincinnati Bengals. I firmly believe you need to look at a players character and not all guys can be rehabilitated. This draft is further proof of this.
Steve, Detroit Lions Weblog: Why not!? They have needed a productive kick returner for several years now. Miller’s coverage skills and now, his commitment (he skipped a practice session causing his ejection from the Jets) are both marginal and questionable, but as a dime or nickel back, could the Lions do any worse? Wait…
Big Al, The Wayne Fontes Experience: Not especially. Miller’s stats have been in decline for the past couple of years. He can’t help out as a position player, as he’s become strictly a kick return specialist.
Yes, Miller was a Pro Bowl selection…in 2006. That’s eons in returner years. Kick returners, save for the occasional freaks of nature like former Lions Desmond Howard and Mel Gray, tend to be effective for only a few seasons. Very few.
For example, see Eddie Drummond. He was 1st team All Pro for Detroit as a return man in 2004. He was out of football after 2007. Going by Miller’s bouncing around the league the last couple of years, he may be on the same track as Drummond.
This quote from an AP article about the Jets releasing Miller was quite telling: “There was some concern Miller lacked some of the explosiveness that made him a Pro Bowl pick in 2006.”
A kick returner without his burst is just another guy. It looks like Miller may be just another guy at this point of his career. And don’t the Lions already have enough of those sort of players already?
Josh, Roar of the Lions: For the right price, sure. There is a reason he’s on the market but even just the ability to retain his contract rights or first crack at fa would be nice. Aaron Brown is doing ok but if Miller can put a fire into the return game now that they suddenly remembered how to block last week that would be great.
Deacon Blades Boyd, CofS: No. Let’s see if Aaron Brown or Derek Williams can find something back there. If not, I’m sure we’ll just draft a couple more players to see if they can do it but there’s no need to go out and sign someone now. Let’s give our guys experience.
Reverend Spielman, CofS: While I think Miller could give the Lions a boost this year, I’d rather see what Aaron Brown and Derrick Williams can do back there. Miller is on the downside of his career and I think we might have a decent returner in Brown if he can ever get some confidence back.
Steve, Detroit Lions Weblog: The Lions defensive line is awful. Among Andre Fluellen, Landon Cohen, Joe Cohen, Turk McBride and Cliff Avril, I’d like to see at least one of them surpass DeWayne White or Grady Jackson in the playing group, so that the Lions can determine if any of these players are actually more valuable than being “rotational”, complementary players, who provide the team with some depth.
If push comes to shove, Turk McBride is the one player that I think can, and likely will, rise above the flotsam and establish himself as a productive member of the Lions defense.
As a consolation, I’d like to see Ernie Sims earn his way back as a starter. It would be even better if he was able to play well enough that the Lions don’t find it so easy to part ways with him this off-season, as has been heavily rumored. Go Ernie!
Big Al, The Wayne Fontes Experience: Drew Stanton, for a couple of reasons.
From the beating Matthew Stafford has taken this season, I doubt he’s going to be playing every snap.
We already know Daunte Culpepper is out of Detroit the moment the season ends, never to return. We don’t know all the details regarding his Thanksgiving Day hissy fit, but from what we saw on FOX, and read after the fact, Culpepper was not a happy camper because he didn’t get a chance to showcase his “skills” on national TV.
Some skills. Culpepper has yet to win a game as Detroit’s starting quarterback. He had his chance earlier this season when Stafford injured his knee, and failed miserably.
Culpepper is a short-timer. Stanton, on the the other hand, has been in Detroit for a couple of seasons, is under contract for 2010, and we still don’t know if he’s capable of being the Lions’ number 2 quarterback!
When the opportunity arises, play the kid! Let’s find out, once and for all, if Drew Stanton is an NFL caliber quarterback. There’s no time…not like the present…but the next time Stafford is buried under an unobstructed pass rush.
Other than Stanton, there really isn’t anyone who has earned or deserved playing time. There’s no mystery player on the 53 man. If they have shown anything in practice, and knowing Jim Schwartz’s tendency to shake up the lineup, most everyone on the roster has gotten, or will get, their shot.
Josh, Roar of the Lions: One thing this coaching staff has done very well is to play the young players in order to see what they have. Personally, even with Sims back, I want to keep seeing more of Levy.
Deacon Blades Boyd, CofS: Well I’m excited to see Dan Gronkowski play that’s for sure. The obvious one is Drew Stanton cause we need to know what he is. The other two are Zack Follett and Jordan Dizon. Dizon has looked surprisingly good in minimal action so I’d like to see some more from him. Everyone wants to see more of Aaron Brown but the guy is just too small and not tough enough to be a RB in the NFL.
Reverend Spielman, CofS: I think we need to see Jordon Dizon play more. Everytime this kid is on the field, all he does is make plays. Everyone is so down on him because Millen reached for him as a 2nd round pick a few years ago. But what if he had been a 7th round pick instead? Fans would be begging and cheering to get him into the lineup. I say what’s done is done and we forget about where he was drafted and pay attention to his play, which he hasn’t gotten much of a chance to show. I think he’s already a great special teamer and definitely has a shot to unseat Julian Peterson as an outside linebacker next year. Let’s see if he’s got what it takes this year.
Steve, Detroit Lions Weblog: As we all know, all NFL teams bring an additional kicker to camp each season. I’d rather not see the Lions utilze a valuable draft pick on this position, until it’s completely and unquestionably necessary, considering how many other major personnel holes should take precedent for them (wide receiver, running back, offensive line, defensive line, secondary, backup QB— all need to be addressed!).
I think that Hanson has earned the right to continue to play as long as he is both able and effective. Maybe, the Lions training camp kicker should be a free agent who has a legitimate chance of making the roster as a kickoff specialist, and a potential development player to eventually replace Hanson. Hanson’s dependability should supersede any perceived talent drop-off, which is highly-debatable to begin with.
Big Al, The Wayne Fontes Experience: Yes, Hanson has had what you could consider an off year, at least for him. 4 misses, all from 30+ out is surprising. But anyone expecting perfection, or even a season like last year, which was a close to perfect as you could get (8-8 from 50+ is both an NFL record, and insane), is expecting far too much.
Hanson’s career FG% is 82%. He’s a 77.8% this season. Slightly down, but still good. He’s still in the upper echelon of NFL kickers at 39 years old. He still has a surprisingly strong leg, so kickoffs are not an issue. If Hanson kicked for a good or “name” team, he’d be more than just considered as one of the best (and underrated) place kickers of all time, there would be serious Hall of Fame talk. The numbers say as much.
There’s much bigger and pressing issues the Lions have to solve via the draft and free agency than their kicking game. Such as improving all aspects of their defense, and improving the offensive line and wide receiver positions.
The Lions are in better shape than the majority of NFL teams with Jason Hanson as their kicker.
Josh, Roar of the Lions: Jason Hanson can still plant the occasional touchback on kickoffs, and even a diminished range for him is still beyond the reliable range for most NFL kickers. He is a positive, dependable vet and I think there are still too many holes to be taking up draft picks with plates you won’t have a roster spot for anyways.
Deacon Blades Boyd, CofS: HELL NO!! See my MMQ from a few weeks ago and you’ll see what I think.
Reverend Spielman, CofS: I’m not happy with Hanson’s performance this year, but I’m willing to give him a mulligan because he’s been so good for so long. But if he still struggles next season and still can’t force a touchback on the kickoff, then its time to pursue other options.
Steve, Detroit Lions Weblog: Bloodbath! As much as I want to imagine that the “Bungles” will re-emerge, with the Bengals playing down to their competition, I am convinced that the Bengals defense has improved enough, and the Bengals offense can grind it out enough, that the Lions will, even with a ten day break, get physically brutalized by both of their upcoming AFC North foes, Cincinnati and Baltimore, in successive weeks.
The Lions secondary could see 30 first half passes, to build a sizeable lead, and none in the second half as the Bengals take mercy upon the Lions undermanned and injury-wracked defense. Bengals 23 Lions 3
Big Al, The Wayne Fontes Experience: It’s going to start ugly and finish uglier. I really can’t see the Lions doing much of anything on either side of the ball.
Detroit’s defense has no answer for Chad Ocho–Whatever He’s Calling Himself Today–Cinco or the Bengals’ powerful, punishing running game. Cincinnati should be able to run the ball all day, grind out huge amounts of clock, wear out an already undermanned and under talented Detroit defense, and name their score
Bengals 27 – Lions 10
Josh, Roar of the Lions: No prediction from me. If the Bengals defense and passing game both show up, this could be very ugly for the Lions. Fortunately, the Cincy RB are banged up, which might give them a shot. IF the Lions offense shows up to play, the ST carry over last weeks performance, and the defense can get some stops ( or at least hold them to FGs) then the Lions may still be able to make a game of it. IF…
Deacon Blades Boyd, CofS: Bengals 32 Lions 17
Reverend Spielman, CofS: Every year(except last) the Lions have one game late in the year on their schedule that they shouldn’t win, yet they do. This is that game this year. I think the Bengals are in the perfect “trap” game situation to overlook the Lions. They’ve got the Vikes and Chargers, two very tough teams coming up, as well as coming off a divisional matchup against the Browns. Couple this in with the fact that Stafford and CJ are fairly healthy for only the second time this season AND had extra practice this week with the Thursday game, and I think it’s the perfect storm. I’m calling Lions 24, Bengals 21.
Jeff from Motown Madmen has chimed in with his responses:
1. They Lions could but the main problem is an almost complete lack of talent on the Lions roster. For them to overcome mediocrity, or to even achieve it, they will need to draft much better. The last draft, OMI, was the best one in decades so they are on the right track there. They will also need to be able to bring in talent via free agency and trades, though they really don’t have much for trade bait. It’s all about the talent, or lack thereof. The Bengals were a much better team than today’s Lions and for them to be competitive, they’ll need to recruit talent and to fit the right player in the right spot to achieve balance. If the Lions can keep Schwartz, Cunningham and Linehan together for several more years, I believe they’ll achieve it.
2. I’d give him a shot. It couldn’t hurt as the Lions have been anemic in both the return game and at corner. If he doesn’t work out, cut him. Now’s the time to bring in questionable talent and see if they can work it out. We might find a diamond in the rough and the Lions need all the help they can get.
3. Drew Stanton, Dan Gronkowski, Drew Stanton, DeAndre Levy, Drew Stanton and Zack Follett. Stafford is injured. It’s nice to see his dedication to playing and to the team but put his butt on the sidelines and let’s see what Stanton can do the rest of the season. No sense in taking chances with Stafford who will, hopefully, be the face of the franchise for years to come. Culpepper should have been cut immediately following the Thanksgiving Day game and should never be under center again in Detroit. The Lions aren’t going anywhere, let’s evaluate the other talent on the team and start looking towards next season.
4. Jason still has a bit left but it’s probably time to start looking for his replacement for 2011. He should be retiring in the near future and I’d rather he do that than have the Lions cut him. Don’t draft a kicker, go find one elsewhere. The Lions do have more pressing needs in the draft.
5. I think it could be a slaughter if the Bengals show up to play. If not, it might get interesting. I think Palmer will have a field day with the Lions secondary, though, and they do have a good running game. Vegas has the odds at 13 in favor of Cinci with the O/U at 42. I’d like to see the Lions pull off the upset but I can’t see it happening. Bengals 27, Lions 17. I wouldn’t hit the books on this game but if I had to pick, I’d take the Bengals and the over.
The Lions Congregation is back from the bye week refreshed and ready to help our beloved Leos win a football game. Here are this week’s questions:
Steve, Detroit Lions Weblog: First off, I believe that Stafford will play. The Lions are not playing for draft position, they are actually trying to move the franchise forward one win at a time, atop Matthew Stafford’s shoulders. Their chances for winning increase significantly by playing Stafford over Culpepper and Stanton. The Rams are eminently beatable, but much less so with either of the Lions current backups starting in Stafford’s place.
I am actually rather surprised that during the bye week that one of either Stanton or Culpepper weren’t jettisoned. I was also surprised that there weren’t news reports that the Lions were working out veteran QB’s (Jeff Garcia, Brooks Bollinger, heck, anyone) to see if anyone else may be capable of earning the backup spot to Stafford, since neither Stanton nor Culpepper, following the recent news that Stanton may have actually passed Culpepper on the depth chart, appear remotely competent, at this point.
Phil, MLive: I’m not so sure Matthew Stafford won’t play against the Rams. Speculation about that has been far too premature. Nevertheless, IF it is the case that Stafford is held out, I’d start Drew Stanton. That’s my personal opinion because of two reasons: A) Stanton deserves a shot at showing what he can do during a regular season game. He wasn’t good against the Packers, but judging him based on that game is, for MANY reasons, obtuse, at best. He’s been very effective at times, albeit in the preseason, so why not follow that up to see how he does? Furthermore, a game against the Rams is the perfect segue from preseason play to real NFL experience. B) Culpepper has been far too pedestrian in the couple of games he’s filled in for Stafford. He may have a great game; he may have another yawner. But you already know what you have in him.
With all that said, I’ve got no doubt in my mind that Culpepper would start over Stanton, assuming he’s able to go.
Big Al, The Wayne Fontes Experience: I’ve been beyond vocal about this very subject for the past few weeks. I’m on the Stanton bandwagon, only because I’m so anti-Culpepper.
There’s 2 compelling reasons to start Stanton.
1. Culpepper is done as a productive NFL player.
Culpepper is an 11 year veteran, and has thrown 3104 passes in the NFL. Despite all that experience, and his relationship with offensive coordinator Scott Linehan, he stunk out the joint as the Lions’ starting quarterback.
Culpepper was signed this season to be a veteran stopgap, to run the team if Stafford couldn’t. He was supposed to offer veteran stability when called upon. Unfortunately, Culpepper has been nothing but unstable, and done little more than grind Detroit’s offense to a halt…when he’s not getting sacked or throwing horrific picks.
Culpepper was supposedly auditioning for a starting gig with another team in ‘10. Some audition. He’s confirmed what the rest of the NFL thought after he was cut by Oakland.
2. Stanton is under contract for next season. Culpepper is not.
Sure, Stanton replaced Culpepper against the Packers, and for the most part, fired blanks. But he’s only thrown all of 28 passes in his entire career, compared to the 3K which have left Culpepper’s hand. We know what Culpepper can do, and it’s not much. We can’t say the same about Stanton.
It’s time to see what Sparty’s finest can do under pressure.
Jeff, Motown Madmen: I’m hoping and praying that Stafford will be fit enough to play against the Rams (please, please, please). If not, I would give Drew Stanton the start. Daunte Culpepper has shown that he no longer has what it takes to be a starting quarterback in this league and has no business being on the field for the Lions unless there are no other options available. It’s time for Stanton to get some experience and a chance to show what he can do. I believe he may be a career back-up but let him prove that he should hold the #2 spot for the Lions.
Josh, Roar of the Lions: As of my writing, it appears that Matthew Stafford will be starting against the Rams on Sunday, and that CJis 70-30 to go for it as well. With those two back, and Kevin Smith fully healthy I think that the Lions have a good chance of being able to put a LOT of points up on the Rams.
Now, lets say Stafford has a setback — I say start Drew. Sure, Drew Stanton is not the guy you want as your starting QB in this league — however; with a little more experience I believe he could easily evolve into a solid #2 QB — the kind of player that can come in and finish out a game, maybe even win a game or two if your main QB is out. Culpepper showed me that he hasn’t learned how to read defenses in 11 years in the league, and he won’t be back next season. Get Drew some experience, and develop him into your own Craig Niall, Jim Sorgi, or Seneca Wallace. They aren’t your long term answer to start, but they are a solid long term #2.
Deacon Blades Boyd, CofS: I think everyone has the same opinion on this one. You go with Stanton. You need to see what you have in him and if he can be your “back up of the future.” However, with Calvin likely out, coupled with the fact that probably six more starters or important players will still not be ready to go, it’s going to be a long, tough day for whoever takes the snaps.
Reverend Spielman, CofS: Though it looks like Stafford will start as of this posting, I’d go with Stanton over Culpepper any day. I don’t think Drew Stanton has any future in the NFL aside from clipboard holder but we don’t know that for sure because we haven’t seen him enough. We know Daunte will not be a Detroit Lion after this season and thats all we need to know about him.
Steve, Detroit Lions Weblog: I am not opposed to the Lions signing Idi Amin to play defensive tackle, if the Lions defense improves as a result. We forget, football players aren’t noted for being “good guys”.
If it’s Ed Johnson, Shaun Smith, or Terdell Sands, given the rash of injuries along the Lions defensive front, the Lions clearly need help there, it doesn’t matter. Johnson, who has been productive despite his troubles, could actually be a similar project to what Albert Haynesworth was for Jim Schwartz, who was made very rich under Schwartz’s direction last season. Even Tank Johnson has been able to stay comparatively out of trouble, since his imbroglio’s while in Chicago. Why the hell not sign Johnson and see what happens?
The bigger question I have is, can the Lions find anyone who can actually cover in their secondary? Why hasn’t there been a revolving door of free agent workouts to help bolster their problems there?
Phil, MLive: I don’t like to answer these questions absolutely because Martin Mayhew and Jim Schwartz know the dynamics of the team far better than I do. So here is what they have to ask themselves: Does Johnson hold potential to be a real contributor? He has to be better than at least one other defensive lineman on the team in order to be considered. I’m not so sure I could answer that affirmatively, as the defensive line has played better than expected. Also, Johnson had a marijuana-possession issue. I’m not saying he’s an evil man, by any stretch. But is he worth the possibility of being a locker room distraction? Again, I doubt it.
Big Al, The Wayne Fontes Experience: As thin as the Lions are on talent and healthy bodies on the defensive line, signing Johnson seems like a no-brainer. He’s a solid run stuffer.
But the fact no NFL team has come calling for Johnson after being released by the Colts is a huge red flag. He was busted for pot, then waived by the Colts, after one game in ‘08, and he went unsigned the rest of the season. The Colts picked him up in this past off season, then waived him two weeks ago, this time based on a lack of production.
Just as in ‘08, no NFL team has shown much interest in a young defensive tackle who has started for one of the NFLs elite teams.
Cut twice, yet no interest from any team other than who originally drafted him. Why?
There has to be some very big reason causing the entire NFL to treat this kid the same way Superman treats kryptonite.
Personally, I don’t think the Lions are in a place where they can be picky about talent. They need players, not choirboys. If Johnson was good enough to start for the Colts, he’s sure as Hell good enough for the Lions to sign.
Jeff, Motown Madmen: I think Johnson would be a good pick-up. He was a starter in Indy but was let go for performance and weight issues, according to Colts President Bill Polian. Johnson is an excellent run stuffer and would greatly help the line. If Cunningham and Schwartz could get him to trim down a bit and play to the level he’s able, he would be a great pick-up.
Josh, Roar of the Lions: This guy is unsigned for a reason, and it is not his play on the field. He has some serious character issues, and with Hill back fully healthy, the Lions have their Beef enough at DT for now. Joe Cohen on the practice squad is a better risk at this point – Johnson wasn’t cut just because of his play or amazing depth on the Dline. Bill Polian didn’t feel he could trust him to keep his nose clean (after a 2008 Marijuana possession charge, they gave him a second shot in 2009, but then cut him again) and thus be counted on to help the team from week to week. Hill-Cohen-Jackson-Fluellen can handle the run stopping duties; what they really need is a DE or two to step up and do more than run stopping duties and get pressure off the edges.
Deacon Blades Boyd, CofS: Why on earth would you do that!?!? This is the perfect situation to give Cohen, Fluellen and Hill (when he gets healthy) some snaps and some experience. This season is lost already so you may as well let the young players play and develop. There are no quick fixes so stay away.
Reverend Spielman, CofS: I’ve always liked this guy since his Penn State days. He’s a more talented version of Shaun Smith. I think we have nothing to lose by signing him to a contract for the rest of the year and see if we can make a player out of him. Grady Jackson isn’t getting any younger and while Sammie Lee Hill looks like a great building block, I’m not so sure about Fluellen and Cohen.
Steve, Detroit Lions Weblog: I expect this to be a high-scoring game, especially if Matthew Stafford plays. Even without Calvin Johnson, and any rustiness from missing a few games, Stafford should have a field day against the Rams. The problem is, I expect the Rams to likewise exploit the Lions weak defense and papier mache pass coverage. I expect a high-scoring shootout where, if the Lions have fewer turnovers than the Rams and allow no “explosion” plays, especially in kick coverage, the Lions will eventually prevail. Lions 31 Rams 24
Phil, MLive: This is a tough one to predict, as I don’t know who’s in and who’s out with injuries. At this point (Wednesday morning), it looks like the Lions are going to get at least a couple of their defensive linemen back. So, if I go under the assumption that Stafford and Calvin will be back, I’m quite certain they’ll be able to shred the St. Louis defense. As far as the Rams offense goes, it just doesn’t have the weaponry for me to expect them to do damage. Of course there’s Steven Jackson, but the Lions have actually played respectably against the run. Marc Bulger is simply not the quarterback he once was, nor does he have the explosive wide receivers he once had. He is, however, facing one of the worst secondaries in the game. If the Lions defense allows the Rams offense to put up big numbers, it will prove that their awful stats have nothing to do with facing some of the NFL’s top passing attacks in the first seven games, rather it’s because they truly are the worst group of defensive backs in the league. All that is to say that I think if Stafford and Johnson play, the Lions roll, 37-17.
Big Al, The Wayne Fontes Experience: If Stafford and Johnson play (and it does as of Friday morning), the Lions should beat the Rams. For the first time all season, I’m predicting a Detroit victory, 24-21!
But…if by some freak occurrence, the Glimmer Twins don’t play, all bets and predictions are off.
Jeff, Motown Madmen: If Stafford starts, Lions by 7. If Calvin Johnson also plays, Lions by 13. If neither plays, this game becomes a toss up. Vegas has the odds around 4 points in Detroit’s favor but no one in Vegas is predicting the O/U and the line might change if Stafford plays. This game could be ugly. If the Lions do something stupid like starting Culpepper, I can see the Lions losing by 7-10.
I’m hoping Stafford plays and I’ll make a wild stab in the dark and say Lions 27 – Rams 20. I’d definitely stay away from the bookmakers on this one.
Josh, Roar of the Lions: Lions: Lots
Rams: Not Much
If the healthy defensive starters play with as much intensity as the entire unit did against Green Bay, then the Rams are in for a VERY long afternoon. I feel kind of silly saying this since I didn’t even want them to draft the guy, but I will anyways: With Stafford in the game I just feel like the Lions have a chance to win until the bitter end. This is a game the Lions SHOULD win (and knock St. Louis to 18 losses in a row and on pace to beat the Lions’ recent winless streak, tie 0-16, and tie the Bucs’ 26 game losing streak.)
Lions win a close one as they still aren’t good enough to just plain out-play or blow-out even one of the few opponents who is weaker than them. (Here’s hoping I’m wrong!)
Deacon Blades Boyd, CofS: With Calvin, Rams 24 Lions 17. Without Calvin, Rams 27 Lions 10
That being said, won’t it be interesting to see what the spread on this game will be??? By the time this gets posted the spread will be up but can you imagine, the Lions MIGHT ACTUALLY be favoured to win a game!!
Reverend Spielman, CofS: If Stafford plays, Lions win 31-24. If Stafford and CJ both play, the Lions will blow out the Rams 38-17. If neither plays, the Lions will lose this game by a TD or so.
This week your favorite Lions bloggers are taking on the role of The Schwartz, searching for the deeper meanings in life and the answers to some pointless, hypothetical questions. Enjoy!
Steve, Detroit Lions Weblog: As far as I am concerned, the only prudent decision is to begin the season seemingly according to plan, with Daunte Culpepper at the helm. Drew Stanton instantly became a very low priority within the organization upon the draft selection of Matthew Stafford, and should be treated as such.
I must confess, as a Michigan State alum, I’d love to see Stanton emerge as an useful commodity. That being said, he never ever should have been selected by the Lions and their moronic front office during the second round, not even in a million years and one years.
If the Lions are unable to eventually trade Stanton, which I believe is highly unlikely, then they need to hope that the NFL trade deadline, Daunte Culpepper’s capable performance, and Matthew Stafford’s preparedness to assume the helm, all magically and seamlessly fall into place.
My ideal scenario is that: a) Stanton survives the cutdowns for the 53-man roster b) Daunte Culpepper remains the nominal starter and performs well, but not well enough to win games (if he doesn’t win too many games the Lions will begin the process of vetting Stafford to eventually start). c) Another nominal NFL playoff contender either needs an upgrade at QB or suffers a major injury at the position, and is willing to part with either players or picks for a re-emergent Culpepper. d) Stafford is ready to start and thrives. e) Stanton continues to look good holding a clipboard and wearing a headset, and is never called upon to play a down during the ‘09/’10 season.
Ty, The Lions in Winter: As almost all of Culpepper’s money comes from being on the day one roster, I either trade or release him after the Colts game. I then call up an unemployed veteran with experience in Linehan’s system–someone like a Brooks Bollinger. I start Stanton, and rotate Stafford in heavily. This will not happen, but in this case I Am The Schwartz.
Phil, MLive: Pretend it’s not happening and start whoever is leading, between Stafford and Culpepper. There are a couple of ways to look at this: First, is Stanton achieving this “thorough outperforming” in the late third and fourth quarters? Or is he getting a chance to start or play middle relief? In my – and by “my,” I mean Zaroo not Schwartz – opinion, Stanton has earned a chance to play earlier in the preseason games. He certainly hasn’t shown himself to be vastly less competent than any other QB on the roster. So give him a chance to play earlier. If he plays poorly, you just might have your third-string QB secured. If he plays well, then you’re getting yourself into quite the desirable pickle. (Wait, that didn’t come out right.)
But if he’s simply outperforming the other two QBs while playing third-string, and gets no other opportunity, then it’s hard to draw the conclusion that he should definitely be the starter.
To be honest, I’m not convinced that Schwartz will give Stanton the chance to do any more than he is doing right now. I could be wrong. After all, Schwartz has maintained that the only thing that plays into his decision making, as far as starters, is play on the field. If that’s the case, like I said, Stanton has earned the chance to show he can do more than lead the Lions to late-game preseason touchdowns.
Big Al, The Wayne Fontes Experience: At the very least, Stanton’s play has convinced the Lions they don’t need to grab the first veteran QB they find on the waiver wire.
The Lions will go with what has always been their plan, have Culpepper and Stafford active (you can flip a coin as to who is the starter at this point, I doubt even the Lions know), and Drew Stanton is the inactive number 3 and emergency QB.
Stanton may end up outperforming the higher paid QB’s, but unless he does it against a legit NFL starting defense, what Sparty’s finest does means 2 things, jack and squat. I doubt Stanton gets time to prove his real worth against any sort of real competition the rest of the exhibition season, as Culpepper and Stafford are in midst of a starting QB battle neither apparently wants to win.
Stanton’s future in Detroit is nothing more than as a backup. His fate was determined back in April on draft day. Stafford was drafted far too high and is being paid far too much to sit long term, let alone get beat out by a QB stained for life by being one of Matt Millen’s picks. That alone should be Stanton’s kiss of death with the Lions franchise.
Remember, it’s more than talent that determines your starting QB, it’s also the size of the contract. And Stafford has a MASSIVE contract.
Josh, Detroit Lions Fan 1979: This question doesn’t specify against which units — for me, he would have to “thoroughly outperform” the other two against the other teams’ ones.. That is something I just don’t see happening. Also, it is not just who does well in the preseason games, but who I think will help my team win against New Orleans. Drew Stanton has done well in the preseason thus far — but what he has shown me indicates he would be a mediocre starting QB, likely to be injured due to his style of play. However, as a back-up QB (even my #2) at that point I would feel very comfortable with Drew being able to come in and keep the team afloat for a few series, or even a game or two. Think Charlie Batch in Pittsburgh.
When it comes down to it, if I thought he had “thoroughly outperformed” the other two, and gave me the best shot to win then I would start him — despite the flak I would take pretty much everywhere. But I would have to be SURE he gave me the best chance based on preseason and practices both. Drew has come a long way, but if he were even close he would have garnered time against the opposition one’s. At this point, he is developing into a great #2 QB which would be a huge win for the Lions if they keep him around, and backing up Matthew Stafford for the next 10 years could make for a great, long NFL career for Stanton.
Sean, Pride of Detroit: Unless Stanton out performs Stafford and Culpepper against the starters, I am still going to go with one of them. Stanton has looked very good in the preseason, but based on the fact that he still hasn’t gotten much of a chance to play against quality players, that speaks volumes about him in my mind. I would like to see what he can do, but I don’t want to throw him out there in the regular season without getting an idea of how he would play first. In that sense, I guess I would give him a shot against a starting defense in the preseason before I did anything else.
Deacon Blades Boyd, CofS: Here’s what I do. This week I have to make a choice between Daunte and Matt. One of them starts the game, then I put in Drew in the second quarter and see him play against the #2 defense. If he still looks good, cause let’s remember he’s been playing against a bunch of scrubs who probably won’t be in the NFL this year, I get him some more playing time in the last preseason game against the #2 offense. There’s no chance he’s starting the year as our #1 QB but if Matt and Daunte continue to struggle, I may have no other option.
Reverend Spielman, CofS: Stanton will stay right where he is now: the 3rd QB. However a big preseason will have an impact next year, where he’ll be the unquestioned backup to Stafford for the foreseeable future. That’s a situation I’d love to see develop.
Steve, Detroit Lions Weblog: Dane Looker, if he eventually makes the club, will give the Lions a nearly reliable slot receiver and another high-effort guy who will provide an over-achieving example, which will hopefully resonate through the entire organization.
I think it is a lot to ask/expect that either Looker or Dennis Northcutt will ever eventually assume anything more than a very subsidiary role within the Lions offense, given the presence of superstar Calvin Johnson, painfully-average Bryant Johnson, the hoped-for emergence of a dependable Brandon Pettigrew and Kevin Smith.
The Lions slot receivers will likely convert the occasional third down and provide the Lions QB’s with a “check down” option whenever they are placed under duress, hopefully, an uncommon occurrence during the upcoming season.
Ty, The Lions in Winter: At this point, the ’safe’ WRs are Megatron, Bryant Johnson, Dennis Nortcutt, and Derrick Williams. After that it’s a complete crapshoot, so Looker could be the 5th WR. Since it’s routine to have your fifth WR primarily be a returner, Looker could outstrip Williams for fourth on the “WR” depth chart and see real playing time. I like Standeford’s size and hands, Colbert’s a veteran with a positive attitude, and Adam Jennings has looked good in practice from time to time . . . but all three of those guys will have an uphill climb to make the roster, given their play on Saturday. If Looker continues to, well, look good, I think this I Am The Schwartz scenario is realistic indeed.
Phil, MLive: I’m assuming we’re talking about “the best wideout of the preseason that isn’t named Calvin Johnson.” Because if Dane Looker outperforms Calvin Johnson, I’m gonna hop on Falkor and rescue The Childlike Empress. So if Looker does prove to be a strong receiver, I work him in, either as fourth or fifth on the depth chart, and I keep an eye on how he does against improved defenders. Just as with the Stanton Hypothetical, there’s no point in holding back someone who’s producing in game situations.
Big Al, The Wayne Fontes Experience: Just where you would expect to slot a career possession receiver who has averaged a little more than 10 YPC in his career, as the 4th receiver.
If he can catch and hold on to the damn ball, something the rest of the wide outs the Lions have used in the exhibition season seem to think is optional, and not a requirement, for an NFL receiver, Looker will get more than his fair share of playing time in the regular season. It doesn’t matter if he’s the 3rd, 4th or 5th wide out on the depth chart anyway, as the Lions will likely be in plenty of 4 and 5 receiver sets with their tendency to fall 3 scores behind early in the game.
If Looker really wants playing time, I’d also advise him to stay away from golf carts…
Josh, Detroit Lions Fan 1979: I doubt he will be better than CJ, but whatever spot he earns, that is where I play him. Most likely, he would end up beating gout Northcutt in the slot. If this happened, I would likely also keep D. Williams as #4, and Standeford as #5. Looker isn’t a flanker type of WR, but more of an underneath vet with savvy and reliable hands. He is this offense’s version of Mike Furrey a couple years back. He would be my starting slot WR.
Sean, Pride of Detroit: Looker, combined with his kicking abilities, has locked up a spot on the team and would be the fourth receiver (after the two Johnsons and Northcutt). He can sort of be like Mike Furrey was, playing in the slot in 4-WR looks.
Deacon Blades Boyd, CofS: I appreciate Dane coming in at an awkward time. He’s familiar with Scott and his offense. Unfortunately, we want to see what our younger guys can do and he won’t be on the team to start the season. However, when Calvin, Bryant and Dennis all go down with injuries at some point this season, we’ll sign him back and have him start.
Reverend Spielman, CofS: If Dane thoroughly outperforms Northcutt, I slot him in as our #3 possession receiver to start the year. He’s proven he can play a little on this level and Northcutt has never been a star himself. Ideally he’s our #5 receiver, with Derrick Williams showing up enough to slot into the #4 role.
Steve, Detroit Lions Weblog: If Smith has either an off-field incident, or another on-field disagreement with the coaching staff like he did in Cleveland, he will likely be asking people if they would like fries with their order while taking residence upon “Big Baby” Shaun Rogers’ couch, in no time. The guy would become a master of burning NFL personnel bridges, by washing out in what amounts to being among the worst two or three organizations in the entire NFL.
Either that, or he will be signed by the Cowboys/Jerry Jones.
Personally, I really want Smith to succeed. It is no secret that the Lions will be pathetic again on defense this season if they don’t prove that they have actually upgraded their defensive line during the off-season. I am very skeptical about that prospect at the moment, but an engaged and productive Smith could alter that perception in a major way.
Ty, The Lions in Winter: It really depends on the nature of the ‘incident’; if it’s something criminal, then no. If it’s just him running his mouth again, then it’s a tentative yes. I, The Schwartz, have not yet seen the tape of the Cleveland game; I was expecting a big impact from Smith and didn’t see it. Unfortunately, I have not seen enough production from Sammie Hill or Andre Fluellen to justify cutting Smith loose just yet. FWIW, I’ll probably be inclined to keep Darby over Smith, just because I’d rather have a mediocre relentless overachiever setting the pace for the youngsters at DT than a mediocre talented slacker, undermining my message.
Phil, MLive: Unfortunately, mediocre play is something the Lions might have to put up with from someone who’s going to give them some girth on the defensive line. However, off-the-field incidents are not. So the most important question is how severe is the incident? If it’s bad enough, you cut him. If it’s something minor, you deal with it. Essentially, you have to judge the incident by itself, and react accordingly.
Big Al, The Wayne Fontes Experience: After watching Smith play, and not do anything of note, it’s hard to believe Sports Illustrated called the Cleveland castoff the Lions’ “most indispensable” player. If Smith’s lackluster effort continues, and he does something stupid/silly/unprofessional off the field, I tend to fall into the category of those who would say, “You’ll have a losing season with or without Smith. So…Cut his ass! Cut his ass NOW!”
But the Lions are in no position to cut anyone with even a modicum of talent, and Smith has more than a modicum. The Lions are thinner than a model on a coke bender at tackle, and Smith fills a big time need on the defensive line. Unless he commits an act so idiotic, so heinous, so reprehensible, so Mike Vick, the Lions have absolutely no choice but to waive him post haste, Smith is here for the duration.
I’m sure the Lions believe there is a talented tackle hidden somewhere underneath the sullen attitude and iffy work ethic, and it’ll be Jim Schwartz’s and Gunther Cunningham’s job to find that player.
Good luck gentlemen, as you are going to need it.
Josh, Detroit Lions Fan 1979: Easiest answer: Nope. There is solid competition at DT at this point, and I would in that scenario keep Jackson, Cohen, Hill, Fluellen, and Harris or Darby as my usually inactive player who would come in for any injuries/suspensions. It could stand some improvement, but I think with shifting IAF inside on some downs, and back to DT again next season and this could be a solid young unit — with or without Smith.
Sean, Pride of Detroit: As much as the defensive line needs the depth that Smith provides, if there was another incident, he’d probably be cut. After his little tirade in Cleveland directed at the Browns’ GM, he’s got a pretty short leash. Now, if he is playing great and there’s an incident, that’s a different story. If he isn’t doing all that well, it would just be a reason to give someone else a spot on the roster.
Deacon Blades Boyd, CofS: Shaun has had a good camp and has always been an inconsistent player. However, unless some of our younger guys step it up, we need Shaun this year. I think he’s going to keep working hard and keep his head on straight because without him, we’re in real trouble.
Reverend Spielman, CofS: He’s cut. Many people are singing this guys praises but he’s never really excelled against top competition at any level he’s been on. Sure he’s got great physical tools but so do Charles Rogers and Mike Williams. If he’s going to raise a stink, we have enough depth that isn’t that inferior to Shaun to make a big difference. Cut him instantly if he isn’t the best boy scout for the rest of training camp.
I can’t see anyone in the free agent pool thats worth pursuing. We have the QB of the future in Stafford and a reasonable starter in C-Pep. I’ve got to believe Stanton will be cut after the season at this point.
This week features no Jay Cutler questions. Thank god that saga is over…
Steve, Detroit Lions Weblog: I now strongly believe that the Lions will be taking Stafford, even though a draft pick which is likely more sound would include one of the two top left tackles in the draft or LB Aaron Curry.
Depending upon the schedule, and how early Stafford actually signs (the Lions have mentioned that they want to have their pick signed before the draft), I think Stafford will have started by week 6, unless the team wins significantly more games than expected at that point.
The other factors to consider are whether the Lions actually follow through with their plan to sign another veteran Qb entering the draft, whether Culpepper can stay healthy (or not), whether Culpepper’s conditioning meets the team’s standards, and wholly upon Stafford himself, whether he actually seizes the opportunity that he is being presented with, or if he takes it for granted, ala Matt Leinart.
Sean, Pride of Detroit: If the Lions are playing well, Culpepper starts every game. That is unlikely, though, and I don’t think Culpepper can stay healthy for an entire season. I’m thinking something around 4 games for Stafford. By December I imagine all of us would be ready for a change. I’m sure many would be ready sooner, but the Lions are not in a position like Atlanta or Baltimore were last year to throw a rookie QB to the wolves.
Phil, MLive: Obviously there are many factors that will determine, but I’m going with 10. I can’t see Culpepper going the whole season without missing a couple of games with an injury. And as much as it looks like they’re pulling the plug on Stanton, I think they’ll be more open to giving him a look when the postseason is out of reach. It just makes no sense to throw away a potential starting quarterback without giving them any significant playing time. So, unless Culpepper blows up, I think Stanton will get a few games.
Dave, Birk`s Eye View: I’ll say 10. The Lions get off to a 3-7 start and Stafford plays the last six games, picking up a couple wins to lead into 2010. His first start will probably come at home so the Lions can get the ticket bump and before Thanksgiving so he’s got a game under his belt for national TV. Of course, Culpepper hasn’t finished a season healthy since 2004, so there’s a chance Stafford’s pressed into service early, too.
Jeff, Motown Madmen: If Culpepper can actually produce and the Lions can get some wins, they may stick with him all season. If they can’t win or Culpepper gets hurt, I think we’ll see Stafford right away, even before Stanton gets a shot at playing. If they draft Stafford it will be because they believe he’s the real deal. He would be making huge dollars and the Lions faithful will not like seeing him hold a clip board all season. As the saying goes, the most popular player on the Detroit Lions is the back-up quarterback.
Ty, The Lions in Winter: Zero. I think if Stafford is the pick, Culpepper is cut loose, a steadier veteran backup like Leftwich is acquired, and Stanton becomes the #3.
Josh, Detroit Lions Fan 1979: Way too early for me to answer this question. Can Stafford step right in? I’m not so sure of that. How dedicated is Culpepper, really, at this point? He played his best under Linehan and seems very motivated to take advantage of the opportunity he has stumbled into in Detroit to possibly get back into the League again and attempt to recapture his fallen star. But I think that the coaching staff is just as clueless as we are when it comes to who will start how many games. My hunch says that unless the Lions are playoff bound, Culpepper starts out the year, and then Stafford takes over after week 8 if the Lions aren’t in the thick of the hunt. They may even wait til mathematically eliminated – which wouldn’t be any sooner than week 7 even if they went winless. So my gut says final answer: Daunte starts 10 games, Stafford 6.
Deacon Blades Boyd, CofS: Culpepper starts the first 6 games. When the Lions are 0-6, we’ll see Stanton finish the game and possibly start the next 2 games. Depending on how he does, we’ll see Stafford for the rest of the year and for the next 3 years. Then, when he leads the Lions to 6, maybe 7 wins in the next three years, we’ll be doing this all over again.
Reverend Spielman, CofS: Culpepper is starting 16 games next season, barring injury. I really have faith in this guy even though no one else does. Stafford will sit patiently behind him and probably become the starter in year 2.
Steve, Detroit Lions Weblog: If the Lions take Smith or Monroe I believe that they each will be given a shot to win the left tackle job, but if they can’t meet the demands of the position (Smith as a run blocker?), then they will each slide into the left guard position and Backus plays tackle. If they are ready to play tackle, then Backus will either slide in to guard, or ultimately, end up being removed from the roster (which is less likely, I think)
Sean, Pride of Detroit: I imagine Backus would switch to left guard. Based on Martin Mayhew’s recent discussion of it, I get the feeling that Backus would be switched.
Phil, MLive: I think Eugene Monroe is a better “plug-and-play” left tackle prospect. It’s hard to say if he’d make the Lions push Backus inside, but that’s what he did to Branden Albert, who is now playing tackle for the Chiefs. So it’s not insane to think Monroe would start at tackle and Backus at guard. If Jason Smith is taken, though, it’s less likely the Lions would move Backus in Smith’s rookie year. While he’s a great prospect, Smith may have more things to work on, like adding bulk and learning to play more out of a three-point stance.
Dave, Birk’s Eye View: Left guard. Schwartz has made reference to his time in Baltimore when Jonathan Ogden played guard as a rookie, but if Jason Smith’s going to be your left tackle of the future and you take him No. 1 overall, you better be confident he can that play position right away.
Jeff, Motown Madmen: I think they should move Backus to LG with Smith/Monroe at LT. Backus tends to let rushers get around him on the outside and either one of those players would play LT better than Backus.
Ty, The Lions in Winter: I think it depends on the player. Smith is an outstanding athlete and pass blocker, and he’s much better than Backus at the things specific to left tackles, yet I don’t see him as a great road grader; he’d be way out of position at LG. Meanwhile, I think Backus would make a much better guard than Smith, so Backus would move to guard. However, if it’s Monroe, I think Monroe could start at guard while he gets his feet wet. That would put much less pressure on the rookie, and keep Backus–a captain and one of like, three actual veteran Lions on this team–from being too disgruntled.
Josh, Detroit Lions Fan 1979: Someplace else. Despite the talk of moving Jeff to OG, lets face it: he has always been an emotional player and I’m not sure if he could mentally and physically play OG at a higher level than either Daniel Loper or Stephen Peterman, whom I have penciled in as starters at LG and RG respectively. What to really do with Backus is why I don’t think OT is on the top of the Lions’ priority list, despite what many fans feel. If he doesn’t beat out Loper and Peterman at OG, or the rookie at OT (I can’t see them sliding him to the right and benching Cherilus) then he is a very expensive backup. Assuming they pick either Smith or Monroe, I look at them to move Backus for likely an additional 3rd rounder draft day to a team that loses out on one of the top young OT’s. There are, sadly enough, plenty of teams for whom Backus would be an upgrade at tackle. The only thing I don’t like about taking an OT this year is that you are upgrading a position that is filled with an average player right now, versus one of the roster spots that is essentially empty.
Deacon Blades Boyd, CofS: I’m not sure why people are insisting he’s going to play guard next year. Backus will stay at the tackle position for a couple reasons. First, he’s MUCH to weak to play guard. He’s a footwork and position guy who will never blow you away with strength. If he plays guard, D-tackles will man handle him. Secondly, quite a few players in recent years have played guard their first season or two then moved to tackle. That will happen with Smith or Monroe.
Reverend Spielman, CofS: If the pick is Smith, then I think Backus will shift to right tackle and Gosder Cherilus will play some guard. If the pick is Monroe, I think he’ll shift inside to guard for his first year and Backus will stay at LT. Either way, I can’t see Backus as a guard, he’s just not strong enough, he’ll get dominated at the line of scrimmage by large interior linemen.
Steve, Detroit Lions Weblog: This question depends upon whether you want to rely upon sentiment or performance. Purely based upon sentiment, I think it would great if the Lions were able to bring back Chris Spielman, since has was such a dependable, tough, team leader who was productive beyond his physical ability. Spielman possessed the grit necessary to significantly advance the Lions cause, at a need position.
If the decision were purely based on performance, an in his prime Herman Moore, to go along with the superlatively-gifted Calvin Johnson, would be incredible to be able to watch. Not only was Moore a good route runner, but he was as sure-handed as any Lions receiver over the last 30 years. The size of Moore and Johnson as a tandem would create match-up nightmares for opposing defenses, too.
Sean, Pride of Detroit: With all of this talk about needing the first decent QB since Bobby Layne, I would probably bring back Bobby Layne. He’s the last Lions QB that was a reason why the team won, so he would be my pick.
Phil, MLive: I’m assuming you mean that I can bring them back in their playing condition and not their condition right now! I’d have to go with Chris Spielman. First, the Lions desperately need a middle linebacker who can go sideline to sideline and is a sure tackler. Second, Spielman has the work ethic and discipline that would rub off on other players. Third, his knowledge of the game is second to none. Fourth, he would be the leader of the defense, which is something the Lions lack.
Dave, Birk’s Eye View: This one’s for you, Rev. Chris Spielman. The Lions need a middle linebacker, a face of their defense, and someone that intense would help change the losing culture that’s infested the organization.
Jeff, Motown Madmen: Mel Gray. The Lions need a real return man and Mel was one of the best. I used to love watching him return kicks, especially my favorite of his, a 102 yarder against Da Bears in ‘94 (his last year as a Lion). He was only with Detroit for 6 years but holds all their return records, was a master at his craft and a joy to watch work.
Ty, The Lions in Winter: Luther Eliss. He’d be a great fit in a rotation with Grady Jackson and Andre Fluellen, he was a great leader and a genuinely nice guy, and he was a fixture in the community. There needs to be a real Lion on that defense, both on and off the field–and right now there isn’t one.
Josh, Detroit Lions Fan 1979: This is a really tough one – but I’d have to go with Chris Spielmen or Robert Porcher. MLB and a dominant DE are things the Lions haven’t had since either of those men took the field for the Lions – and both would immediately upgrade the team.
Deacon Blades Boyd, CofS: Jerry Ball. We don’t have a defensive tackle. I’m sorry but Darby and that 64 year old fat bum they brought in aren’t going to cut it.
Reverend Spielman, CofS: Easiest question I’ve ever asked myself. You add Sir Christopher Spielman to that defense and it’s instantly a top 10 unit. There’s never been a finer man or Lion.
1. 2nd Overall – Calvin Johnson, WR
Shoulda Had: No one
Avoided: Jamaal Anderson, Ted Ginn Jr.
Verdict: 100%, the best pick of the 8 year Matt Millen reign of terror
Analysis: What more can you say about Megatron? He’s been nothing short of spectacular during his time with the Lions, despite the fact they refuse to use him correctly. Imagine if the idiot QBs this franchise has had actually knew this guy existed, instead of using him as a distraction so Avieon Cason could get his 3 yard dump-down pass. Scott Linehan is going to have fun with this weapon for years to come.
2. 43rd Overall – Drew Stanton, QB
Shoulda Had: LaMarr Woodley, Eric Wright, David Harris
Verdict: Moderate bust and definitely a reach
Analysis: This was an awful pick when Millen made it and it looks even worse two years later. Mike Martz immediately blackballed the kid and I’m pretty sure Jim Colletto doesn’t even know what a quarterback is. I’m hoping Scotty Linehan can work a miracle and save this from being a true disaster. In my dreams, Stanton will be the backup QB for the Lions for many years to come.
2. 58th Overall – Ikaika Alama-Francis, DE
Shoulda Had: Ryan Kalil, Samson Satele
Verdict: Mammoth bust.
Analysis: If the defensive line guru himself, Rod “Captain Shovel Rockpounder” Marinelli, can’t mould this guy into something resembling a football player, then Gunther has no hope. What a waste of life.
2. 61st Overall – Gerald Alexander, FS
Shoulda Had: Ryan Harris, Stewart Bradley, James Jones, Brandon Mebane, Trent Edwards
Verdict: Par for the course, about what you’d expect.
Analysis: I don’t mind Alexander as a player and he’ll probably be the Lions starting FS next season if he can recover from a serious neck injury. However, I would’ve rather used this pick on something other than a safety, something we had a plethora of at the time. Ryan Harris would’ve been a nice stalwart tackle and any of the above guys could have fixed a glaring hole on the team.
4. 105th Overall – A.J. Davis, CB
Shoulda Had: Tanard Jackson
Verdict: Bust with a capital B.
Analysis: This idiot didn’t even make it out of training camp. He’ll never play in the league.
4. 117th Overall – Manny Ramirez, G
Shoulda Had: Marcus Thomas, Fred Bennett, Josh Beekman, LeRon McClain, Brandon McDonald, Dante Rosario, Kevin Boss, Steve Breaston
Verdict: Would’ve been better off with the baseball player.
Analysis: I don’t know what Millen saw in Ramirez. I don’t think ManRam saw it in himself.
5. 158th Overall – Johnny Baldwin, LB
Shoulda Had: Brent Celek, Corey Graham, William Gay, H.B. Blades, Mason Crosby, Nick Folk, Tyler Thigpen, Zach Diles, Ahmad Bradshaw
Verdict: Couldn’t have made a worse pick.
Analysis: It’s amazing how many men below Baldwin actually made a contribution to an NFL team last season. The ones listed above are the ones who made significant strides the last two years. Either one of the kickers would’ve been a great insurance pick for when Hanson finally hangs up his scarpinos. Baldwin is best known for being one of the alltime leading tacklers on the Lions practice squad.
7. 255th Overall – Ramzee Robinson, CB
Shoulda Had: An extra roster spot.
Verdict: Your run of the mill, Mr. Irrelevant.
Analysis: Robinson actually has some NFL stats to his name, unlike many others on this list. He moves back and forth off the practice squad quicker than Paris Hilton changes boyfriends. If the team had any talent, he’d be back to bagging groceries beside Baldwin and Davis.
This week, we’re talking about the Lions main problem since the days of Greg Landry: The Quarterback Position. Here’s what the best and brightest, along with the good Deacon, had to say:
Steve, Detroit Lions Weblog: Wishful Thinking: Cutler, Culpepper, Stanton
Reality: Culpepper, Stafford, Stanton (for the first 6 games)
Jeff, Motown Madmen: Culpepper, Stanton and Henson. This is not a trio that will strike fear into their opponents. I’d like to see them take either Sanchez or Freeman at 1-20 and let them fight for the starting job right off the bat.
Ty, The Lions in Winter: Daunte Culpepper, Drew Stanton, Drew Henson. It’s obvious to me that the Lions have made it a top franchise priority to find a real quarterback–see the attempted trade for Cutler–but that if they can’t get one, they’ll make do with Duante. It looks like the 1.1 is probably not going to be Stafford, ergo any rookie drafted probably won’t be in the mix to start. Therefore, they will have to swing a trade for a veteran in his prime, and those just don’t happen. If the Cutler thing happens it’d be amazing, but at this point that looks like a pipe dream. Hence, I think we’re out of luck until the carousel spins again.
Phil, MLive: Daunte Culpepper, Drew Stanton, Drew Henson. This assumes no more QB moves, obviously, but I think they understand that unless they can get some insurance on the cheap, they have to roll the dice with what they have. The best man’s going to win out of those three and I don’t think Mayhew cares who it is. As it stands, Culpepper is far and away the favorite. Of course, if they take Matt Stafford, then you can unread everything I just typed.
Dave, Birk’s Eye View: Daunte Culpepper, Someone not currently on the roster, Drew Stanton
Josh, Detroit Lions Fan 1979: It is still too early by far to tell. As of right now, I would say Culpepper, Stanton, Draft Pick. But it all depends on where they take a QB in this draft. Unlike many, I am not convinced that they take a QB this year. My gut says that they sign a young veteran like Simms, let them all compete and that Daunte — depending on who they sign and how camp goes, could end up anywhere from the starter to not even on the roster. The position is in a big state of flux, and I don’t see it clearing up anytime soon. I don’t think this is really what Schwartz, Mayhew or Lewand would prefer — but they are working within the hand they were dealt, and can only upgrade from the cards available. I’m not sold on Stafford at all, and although they may go that way in the draft due to cap reasons (see The Net Rat for cap info, and more on this topic of first pick economics) I don’t have to like it. Ideally, I see them signing an additional QB this ifseason, and then letting all 3 battle it out — in part to see how Stanton is progressing before moving on.
Sean, Pride of Detroit: Sadly, it appears that Daunte Culpepper will be the starter no matter what. Backing Culpepper up will either be a free agent that hasn’t been signed yet or someone that is drafted. If it is going to be a rookie, I hope it’s someone like Josh Freeman or a day two pick up, as that would mean that the Lions didn’t waste the top overall pick on Stafford.
Deacon Blades Boyd, Church of Schwartz: The good Deacon refuses to answer this question, as he’s still coping with the loss of Jon Shitna.
Reverend Spielman, Church of Schwartz: Daunte Culpepper, Drew Stanton, a second day draft pick. I don’t think we’ll spend a draft pick on a QB before the fourth round. Although if Pat White starts dropping, I can see him as a steal in the third round, in a Seneca Wallace-type role.
Steve, Detroit Lions Weblog: Purely based on what we saw last season, no. He has never been an astute reader of opposing defenses, and seemingly, whatever differential physical tools he once possessed, have now failed him. If he comes to camp in tip-top shape and the Lions O-line improves, he may be at least competent.
Jeff, Motown Madmen: Opinions differ on this one but I believe that Culpepper will no longer be able to function at the level he was a few years ago. Looking at his recent history, he is not an effective signal caller, is too injury prone and has limited mobility. There’s only so much coaching can do and I don’t think it’ll be enough.
Ty, The Lions in Winter: Absolutely not. No way, no how. I was one of the few who thought Culpepper was a well-coached fraud back in the “glory years”. It used to drive me crazy: watching his inefficiency, mistakes, turnovers–and “anti-clutch” knack for being at his worst when it matters most–turn wins into losses. Even worse, have the ‘talking heads’ act like he was some kind of All-World King of Quarterbacks because he’d throw a jumpball bomb or two while losing the game for his team. As a Lion in 2008, he was the exact same turnover-prone, make-a-highlight-in-the-first-quarter-lose-it-in-the-fourth guy we saw in Minnesota, only older, weaker, and slower.
Phil, MLive: Yes. It was clear that Culpepper has the strongest arm of any Lions quarterback in recent memory. Though he threw a lot of picks and struggled running the offense, there’s no way you can draw conclusions based solely on last season. We’ll see what he does after having an opportunity to learn the offense. More legitimately, I have to say, his performances in Oakland and Miami. Balance that concern, however, with the fact that he flourished with a deep-threat receiver under Scott Linehan.
Dave, Birk’s Eye View: I think Culpepper can be a one-year bridge to whoever the quarterback of the future is, but I wouldn’t expect too much from him next year. He’ll be reunited with Scott Linehan, his offensive coordinator from Minnesota, and should be in better shape than he was last year, but there’s a reason he was out of the league before signing with the Lions and don’t forget he hasn’t finished a season healthy since 2004.
Josh, Detroit Lions Fan 1979: Yes. He wasn’t healthy in Miami — rushed back way too soon with the brace on his knee. In Oakland, it was Oakland. Kerry Collins looked like crap there, but has done very well in Tennessee. He also wasn’t exactly getting top flight coaching. Linehan coached Daunte through his best seasons, and Daunte took a beating after Linehan left. I think IF he works his weight down, and gets motivated and into the ifseason workouts, then yes, he can still be an effective starter. But he needs strict coaching, and to stay focused. I think but the big question that will remain unanswered for now is not CAN he, but WILL he?
Sean, Pride of Detroit: I wouldn’t necessarily say he can be effective, but in the right situation he probably can be doable until the Lions actually need a franchise QB. I think he will be much better off with Scott Linehan, and having a target like Calvin Johnson doesn’t hurt, either. However, unless the offensive line improves, I don’t know if any QB could succeed in Detroit.
Deacon Blades Boyd, Church of Schwartz: Tough question here by the Reverend and I don’t think it’s really a question anyone can answer because if you base it on last year, it’s 50-50. Are you going to get the Culpepper who played against the Jags? I know it was his first start but we need to see him when he has a full playbook under his belt. So the answer is, I doubt it, but I don’t know for sure.
Reverend Spielman, Church of Schwartz: I’m going against the norm here and I’m going to say yes. Listen, Jim Colletto has the offensive mind of a small dingbat. Linehan is one of the best offensive coordinators in the game and Culpepper is already very familiar with his systems and terminology. He flourished under him in Minnesota and he’s got his Randy Moss here too.(Megatron) As long as the offensive line is decent, I think he’ll succeed.
Steve, Detroit Lions Weblog: Boy, Lions fans have never, at least publicly, been presented with this kind of tantalizing temptation to consider. If the Ford’s are at all concerned about “putting asses in the seats” in ‘09, here is their solution. Jersey sales, season ticket sales, it would be a bounty, coming off of the worst season in NFL history.
I thought that Lions fans loved their white linebackers (Spielman, Boyd, Lehman), to the Detroit fan base, Cutler would be “their Favre”. I hope that the Lions have the kind of luck necessary that would allow them to be able to swap their first pick for Cutler, but it’s not going to happen, at least not now. For all those keeping score, Matt Millen could have EASILY selected Cutler when he chose Ernie Sims several years ago. Harrumph!
Jeff, Motown Madmen: Not unless they can get a LT to protect him. It would be an intriguing option, though, and much, much better than Culpepper. He does throw a lot of picks but seems to be able to manage the game well, has a good arm and is pretty smart. I’d give up 1-20 and a third rounder for him.
Ty, The Lions in Winter: Yes, in a heartbeat. I wanted Cutler when he came out, and knew that he had the talent, the leadership, and the moxie to be a great NFL starter. You can’t get franchise QBs, and he is one. This is how the draft has gone so horribly wrong–our choice for “franchise QBs” are, 1) make Matt Stafford one of the highest paid players in football and hope he learns how to play at the NFL level in the next three years, or 2) trade for a young, proven, stud QB in his prime with a lesser contract. Yet, somehow, this is a hard decision? DO IT Lions. DOIT. DO. IT.
Phil, MLive: This is really tough for me – I’m an admitted Aaron Curry slappy. While the thought of getting a franchise quarterback is EXTREMELY appealing, so is the thought of putting a ton of resources into building a young defense and letting someone like Jim Schwartz mold them into shape. Besides, something just isn’t sitting right with me when it comes to Cutler. I know he has fantastic stats, and if it came down to Stafford and him, I’d take Cutler, no question. But I’m not really impressed with his reaction to the trade. It’s one thing to be upset. It’s quite another to completely flip out, and in the media, no less. My reservations lie in his character, not in his ability on the field (though he does throw too many picks, I think he can improve). In the end, no, I wouldn’t make the trade. Unless I was going to get someone with absolutely no question marks – does he even exist? – I’d have to stick with picking Curry. The fans here are going to eat up any QB who doesn’t excel. The Lions don’t need to “Lionize” yet another QB by upgrading that position, but not the positions around him. How’s that for a concise answer?
Dave, Birk’s Eye View: Yes. It’s unconventional, sure, but Cutler and Matt Ryan are the two best young quarterbacks in the game in my opinion, and quarterback is the biggest predictor of success in the NFL.
Josh, Detroit Lions Fan 1979: Right Now. Proven commodity versus unknown, and you could sign him to a rich long-term QB deal and still come out better than it costs for the #1 overall pick. I don’t think it will happen, even though Denver did sign Chris Simms, and I think McDaniels would prefer him. For some reason, I get the impression McDaniels doesn’t want Cutler as his QB. I would even offer the Roy Picks for him — #20 and the 3b pick. Heck, I would even go as high as #1 overall and 3a. The Lions have a lot of holes, but using those two picks to get a proven, franchise QB?– and still having #20, #33 and 3b. — to fill Oline and defensive needs? In a heartbeat. Where do I sign?
Sean, Pride of Detroit: Absolutely. Some people think Matthew Stafford is worth the #1 pick, so of course Jay Cutler is. He is a proven player that would likely be the franchise quarterback for years and years to come. On top of that, the Lions wouldn’t have to give a large contract to an unproven rookie. That is why it is so hard to trade the top pick. The money you have to pay is way too much, which is all the more reason I would love for the Lions to get rid of it for a proven QB like Cutler.
Deacon Blades Boyd, Church of Schwartz: Depends…If they were going to draft a qb, I’d MUCH rather have Cutler then Statford obviously. But if they aren’t targeting a QB, then no, I wouldn’t take him. These questions are just pissing me off this week so I have nothing else to say. Sorry.
Reverend Spielman, Church of Schwartz: In short, no. There’s something about Cutler that I just don’t like. I know he’s got outstanding stats but something just isn’t right to me. If it was Matt Ryan, I’d give up the first pick AND an additional draft pick. I really don’t think Daunte is going to be as bad as everyone thinks he will be. Only time will tell.
A complete and total disaster last season, the most important position in football has long been a sore spot for the Lions. Not since the days of Greg Landry have we had a halfway decent QB. We’re no further ahead now then when Scott Mitchell was released following the 1998 season.
Jon “Shitna” Kitna – 1 year, $3.375 mil salary+bonuses remaining
Daunte “Captain Fumble” Culpepper – 1 year, $5 mil salary+bonuses remaining
Drew “Where art thou, Michigan?” Henson – 1 year, $.53 mil salary remaining
Drew “Where art thou, Michigan State?” Stanton – 2 years, $1.92 mil salary+bonuses remaining
Byron Leftwich – Looking at the weak free agent pool, theres only one name that stands out to me and its Leftwich. He’s done nothing the last few years but he showed in limited action in Pittsburgh that he still has life left in that arm. Obviously, he’s as mobile as a pylon but if he gets decent protection, I feel he’ll produce. Plus, he’d come very cheap.
Matthew Stafford - I just have the strongest feeling that this kid is going to be a bust. I haven’t had this strong a feeling since the Bungals took Akili Smith with their first round pick many years ago. He’s got all the measurables but his decision making ability has been questioned. Reminds me a bit of another highly touted QB everyone in Detroit was talking about years ago…..cough…..Piano Boy Joey….cough.
Mark Sanchez – The track record for underclassmen QBs is astonishingly bad. Pete Carroll, whose coached many NFLers, said publicly this kid left too early. Stay far, far away.
Josh Freeman – Freeman intrigues me more than the highly touted prospects ahead of him. He’s a massive QB in the Daunte Culpepper mold, with a cannon for an arm. I’m not sold on taking a chance to another QB high in the draft though, so again, stay away.
Pat White – The only other QB whose name sticks out to me is the West Virginia legend. I’m not sure Pat’s future in the league is at QB however. I think he’s going to become the next Antwan Randle-El, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. If he’s still available in Round 2 or 3, I might take a chance on him.
Every mock draft in the world has the Lions taking a QB first overall. I don’t even think we should take one in the first round. I fully expect one of the Lions to be cut before training camp even begins, most likely Drew Henson. If Pat White is still available in Round 3, I’d snag him, but its doubtful he’ll last that long. I’d also investigate Leftwich to see if he’d take a small, short-term incentive-laden deal. The most likely scenario however is to let C-Pep and Shitna fight it out for the starters job in training camp. C-Pep would be my early favourite because of his familiarity with Linehan and his willingness to throw the ball to Megatron(something Shitna hates doing). I make Stanton the 3rd QB for this season and let him learn the position by sitting and watching Shitna and C-Pep make mistakes.
Let’s face it, we aren’t going to win anything next year. Let’s see what Linehan can do with Stanton and stay the course til all of the contracts expire at the end of the year.
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